mike Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 well, the next logical step is to ban the burka i suppose... *insert rant on the fear of things we do not understand and its (ir)relevance to the BDO here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeb Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 manbags and fauxhawks should be banned instead of a jamaican guy that we can barely understand anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 And like some pathetic cumfacebook group will have any impact on who plays at Big Day Out anyway. hes now been pulled from the lineup, was a wee tiny report on the hearld website, bullshit imo, PC bullshit Disregard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Awesome Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 well, the next logical step is to ban the burka i suppose... *insert rant on the fear of things we do not understand and its (ir)relevance to the BDO here* +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 And like some pathetic cumfacebook group will have any impact on who plays at Big Day Out anyway. hes now been pulled from the lineup, was a wee tiny report on the hearld website, bullshit imo, PC bullshit Disregard. IMO the fb group wasn't exactly what changed this - your original point still stands far as I'm concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) well, the next logical step is to ban the burka i suppose... *insert rant on the fear of things we do not understand and its (ir)relevance to the BDO here* +1 Still playing devils advocate here obviously (Im bored) The full niqab burka is a means of oppressing women by denying them their sexuality and freedom of expression. If we are against Beenie Man, who only used oppressive words (inspired by deeply held fundamentalist christian beliefs in Jamaica) rather than any physical form of intimidation, how can we ignore this, an actual physical artifact symbolic of a form of oppression our society doesn't tolerate. You can't be tolerant of one abhorrent cultural practice and then ban another merely because its less politically sensitive. Edited November 15, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 And further to this, why should we let Chase & Status into the country when they made Duppy Man, which uses the similar homophobe lyrics even though they didn't sing them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Awesome Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 well, the next logical step is to ban the burka i suppose... *insert rant on the fear of things we do not understand and its (ir)relevance to the BDO here* +1 Still playing devils advocate here obviously (Im bored) The full niqab burka is a means of oppressing women by denying them their sexuality and freedom of expression. If we are against Beenie Man, who only used oppressive words (inspired by deeply held fundamentalist christian beliefs in Jamaica) rather than any physical form of intimidation, how can we ignore this, an actual physical artifact symbolic of a form of oppression our society doesn't tolerate. You can't be tolerant of one abhorrent cultural practice and then ban another merely because its less politically sensitive. I'm too busy to properly go into this right now, but fundamentally I think that nobody is born religiously indoctrinated, but people are born gay. At the end of the day you can stop believing in religion and it all goes away (obviously your veiled woman can't, the practicalities aren't there), but you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taiko Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. It's okay mate, let it out. You're amongst friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Awesome Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. It's okay mate, let it out. You're amongst friends. Ah the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taiko Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. It's okay mate, let it out. You're amongst friends. Ah the irony. :itapmykneeinvitingly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. It's okay mate, let it out. You're amongst friends. Ah the irony. :itapmykneeinvitingly: Get a room and get it over with you two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakage Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. It's okay mate, let it out. You're amongst friends. Ah the irony. :itapmykneeinvitingly: Get a room and get it over with you two dont encourage them mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'm too busy to properly go into this right now, but fundamentally I think that nobody is born religiously indoctrinated, but people are born gay. At the end of the day you can stop believing in religion and it all goes away (obviously your veiled woman can't, the practicalities aren't there), but you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. This is a fair point, although you could also argue that you can't choose to be born a man or a woman, and the religiously inspired oppression of women is so severe in some countries it is right up there with the Jamaican treatment of gays. Sex change or stfu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taiko Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. It's okay mate, let it out. You're amongst friends. Ah the irony. :itapmykneeinvitingly: Get a room and get it over with you two dont encourage them mike Jealous imo. Fair enough too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Awesome Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can NEVER change the way you are inside. imo. It's okay mate, let it out. You're amongst friends. Ah the irony. :itapmykneeinvitingly: Get a room and get it over with you two dont encourage them mike Jealous imo. Fair enough too. Awww shucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Beenie Man has written a letter to the BDO organisers expressing his disappointment at being taken off the lineup: "People sometimes may misunderstand my lyrics because of slang, metaphors, jargons and dialect; it is not intended to be harmful," he said. "We live in a diverse society, the haves, have-nots, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, light and dark skinned, homosexuals and heterosexuals. At times we wrongly ridicule each other for beliefs. One thing we have in common, we are all human beings and should strive for peace, equality and love. "I want my music to bring people together and for them to dance, feel good and enjoy it." He said his controversial songs - which include the lyrics, "I'm dreaming of a new Jamaica, come to execute all the gays" - were directed at men who exploited young boys, not homosexuals. "I wrote the lyrics at a point in my life when I younger and was seeing a lot of exploitation of poor and defenseless young boys in the garrison - where I too was born - by rich men," he said in the email. "When I wrote the lyrics boys were raped and murdered often - even recently a nine-year-old went to buy cigarettes for a man, came back and was raped and murdered. The act of sodomy was my concern when I wrote the song. "I realize that those men were not gays but were predators or paedophile which is not a common word in my dialect hence the perception when generalising. I am older and realised the difference after." Full article: http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/big-day-out-2010/3072883/Beenie-Man-heartbroken-at-axing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perceptualChaos Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I realize that I have never been to your country and what was old forgotten news in which I have apologised, is now new news because of me coming and now it's your turn for an apology. I am a music ambassador for the world and the last thing I would want to do is spread hate or violence towards others. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeb Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 everyone makes mistakes....give the dude a break i reckon. he's signed the compassionate reggae thingy,apologised the world over,and promises not to perform the songs he recorded years ago as an impressionable youth.....chill out. for the biggest party animals in the world the gay community sure know how to kill the buzz.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 for the biggest party animals in the world the gay community sure know how to kill the buzz.... I really want to see him perform a solo show in NZ now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphra Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Fuck the lyrics, bring on the riddims. I'm sorry but I really don't understand this. Fuck the lyrics? say what? What's music if it doesn't have inspiring/awesome lyrics? ... To me thats what 50% of what music is all about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dold Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Fuck the lyrics, bring on the riddims. What's music if it doesn't have inspiring/awesome lyrics? ... Drum'n'bass? and to a lesser extent, dubstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagermikester Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I for one don't pay much attention to lyrics, but I guess thats the musician in me... And yeah, I would love to bring Beenie, and what better time to do i. 5am, nice up, sandy bay, someone???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taiko Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I for one don't pay much attention to lyrics. I have to admit that i am the same. I think this is partly why i was drawn to electronic and to a lesser extent classical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphra Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Fuck the lyrics, bring on the riddims. What's music if it doesn't have inspiring/awesome lyrics? ... Drum'n'bass? and to a lesser extent, dubstep Ok, when it does have lyrics then smart ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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