Should public drunkenness be illegal?

[paulg]

I'm actually not surprised this is being considered in this country ...

 

Source: http://www.speakup.co.nz/showthread.php?55-Should-public-drunkenness-be-illegal

 

A police crackdown on alcohol-fuelled violence has prompted the Hospitality Association of New Zealand (HANZ) to call for public drunkenness to be illegal.

 

HANZ chief executive Bruce Robertson suggested the law change in the wake of Operation Unite, the trans-Tasman crackdown on alcohol-fuelled violence and disorder which began at the weekend.

 

"At the moment, it's perfectly legal to get trolleyed.

 

"The issue is changing people's attitudes," he said.

 

"[Currently], the only people who get penalised are the licensed premises staff and owners. There is no signal that – 'hey, it's not OK to get p.....'."

 

Robertson said such a law would address the issue of "pre-loaders" – people who came to town drunk on cheaper liquor bought from off-licences.

[Taiko]

Fuck off. How am i suppose to get home?

 

Prohibition can't be too far behind tbh.

[mike]

I can see this law being abused to get people off the streets, but prohibition is a bit of a stretch

[zzzp]

Target all these sorts of problems with tougher penalties for the minority that cause it. Penalizing the bulk is a weak way around it.

[Nato]

Target all these sorts of problems with tougher penalties for the minority that cause it. Penalizing the bulk is a weak way around it.

Kinda fucking yourself over with that one aren't you

[zzzp]

saying that fuks that cause violence, destruction, big problems etc need to be dealt with accordingly far tougher than what they are now. that will draw the line.. nothin wrong with drinking in public, just keep it legit.. and ban goonbags.

[Nato]

. and ban goonbags.

[solkai]

hmmmm i think myself and Lobo are def against this. Unless they can get Taxis on Woolf St for us???

[lobotomy]

hmmmm i think myself and Lobo are def against this. Unless they can get Taxis on Woolf St for us???

 

speak for yourself !!!!!

 

nah, so true....

[Nato]

We'll probably just need to organise a truck, back it up to the doors and pile in.

[paulg]

Check this out ...

 

http://www.speakup.co.nz/content.php?69-You-no-longer-have-your-right-to-silence

 

If this Bill becomes law, The Examination order will override your right to silence. The only way to avoid this is to cite legal jargon, stating you’d like to exercise your right to “privilege against self-incrimination” which is Section 60 of the Evidence Act. But to use this right you will find yourself ‘between a rock and a hard place’ as this would require you to prove before a judge how an immediate interview could’ve lead to you falsely incriminated yourself.

 

Under the current law it is the Crown/Police who produce evidence to prove your guilt. Under the proposed law, you will be required to produce documents to prove your own guilt under The Production Order.

 

The new Bill also introduces The Surveillance device warrant, which gives any enforcement officer (not only the Police) the jurisdiction to intercept your phone calls, install cameras in your home and tracking devices in your car, if they have reason to suspect that you are engaging in criminal activity.

 

On top of all these new powers, the Bill is being drafted to authorise warrant-less searches. Once you are arrested (or even just detained), if the police or enforcement officers believe they can find evidential material related to the offence they’re holding you for they are able to search your home, workplace, car, friends’ home or any place you are affiliated with, without a warrant. This power, combined with ‘plain view’ searches will result in the state and the police being granted much greater authority and control over NZ and its free citizens.

 

However some argue that this will better equip the police force to capture criminals and bring justice to NZ.

[thr339z]

Check this out ...

 

http://www.speakup.co.nz/content.php?69-You-no-longer-have-your-right-to-silence

 

If this Bill becomes law, The Examination order will override your right to silence. The only way to avoid this is to cite legal jargon, stating you’d like to exercise your right to “privilege against self-incrimination” which is Section 60 of the Evidence Act. But to use this right you will find yourself ‘between a rock and a hard place’ as this would require you to prove before a judge how an immediate interview could’ve lead to you falsely incriminated yourself.

 

Under the current law it is the Crown/Police who produce evidence to prove your guilt. Under the proposed law, you will be required to produce documents to prove your own guilt under The Production Order.

 

The new Bill also introduces The Surveillance device warrant, which gives any enforcement officer (not only the Police) the jurisdiction to intercept your phone calls, install cameras in your home and tracking devices in your car, if they have reason to suspect that you are engaging in criminal activity.

 

On top of all these new powers, the Bill is being drafted to authorise warrant-less searches. Once you are arrested (or even just detained), if the police or enforcement officers believe they can find evidential material related to the offence they’re holding you for they are able to search your home, workplace, car, friends’ home or any place you are affiliated with, without a warrant. This power, combined with ‘plain view’ searches will result in the state and the police being granted much greater authority and control over NZ and its free citizens.

 

However some argue that this will better equip the police force to capture criminals and bring justice to NZ.

 

I <3 the Brave New World.......but like all other oligarchic security and policing innitives the populace wont do fuck all about it... until... they cant do anything...and their freinds ,family and even them selves wake up one day in a detention camp ......