Known One Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 It still doesn't change the fact that no-one is forcing you to consume the water. There IS an alternative, regardless of how poorly you achieve it. You are allowed to be wrong this once, even if you can't be wrong. ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 You can get into the semantics all you like dude. My use of the word forced makes perfect sense to me. Sometimes there is no other choice and I can either be dehydrated or be forced to drink the tap water. We need water to survive right. Can't you even aknowledge that you weren't even needed Grind understood what I meant why even bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 I just want some solid facts man. The reasoning is that it's for the greater good. Even though you or I may not need it, cos we understand the importance of brushing teeth and can afford it, there are heaps of disadvantaged and/or stupid people out there who don't. Ok man I will drudge up all the relevant facts I can but first did you watch that three part doco thing I posted in this thread? Its actually quite helpful to get a basic idea as to whats going on. It gives some great background info on what was going on around the time they first started adding it to the water. Oh and the greater good argument , are you actually serious?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Known One Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Can't you even aknowledge that you weren't even needed Grind understood what I meant why even bother. Wasn't it obvious that both Grind and I understood what you meant? I wasn't 'needed' to clarify anything, I was making my own point about the subject matter in a public discussion. Problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakage Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Stop trolling tom mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Can't you even aknowledge that you weren't even needed Grind understood what I meant why even bother. Wasn't it obvious that both Grind and I understood what you meant? I wasn't 'needed' to clarify anything, I was making my own point about the subject matter in a public discussion. Problem? Well congratulations you have really contributed heaps well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Known One Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Well congratulations you have really contributed heaps well done! Apology accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Stop trolling tom mark i reck'n. Leave that to kwrk... just saw THIS guy! had to post him up, to remind youze, thats its (mostly) about the beatz innit? keep em coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nato Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 just saw THIS guy! had to post him up, to remind youze, thats its (mostly) about the beatz innit? keep em coming Wait a minute...is this not www.allofasuddeneverybodyisanexpert.co.nz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 "wot you peasants been spouting bout my warta privitization bill then? Don't make me sick Whinny onto yas." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakage Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 just saw THIS guy! had to post him up, to remind youze, thats its (mostly) about the beatz innit? keep em coming Wait a minute...is this not www.allofasuddeneverybodyisanexpert.co.nz? i thought it was www.bassdrop.co.nz for a second there TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Have you watched those videos yet? Ok I searched around and found some very simple info to start. The first piece is nice and close to home and touches on loads of the most important issues. The guy writing this article was the "Principal Dental Officer" for NZ And also eventually chaired the "Fluoridation Promotion Committee" Yes thats right promotion, its pretty interesting to hear what he has to say. http://www.fluoride-journal.com/98-31-2/312103.htm My favourite pieces from this article. "Before complying, I looked at the new dental statistics that had been collected while I was away for my own Health District, Auckland. These were for all children attending school dental clinics — virtually the entire child population of Auckland. To my surprise, they showed that fewer fillings had been required in the nonfluoridated part of my district than in the fluoridated part. When I obtained the same statistics from the districts to the north and south of mine — that is, from "Greater Auckland," which contains a quarter of New Zealand's population — the picture was the same: tooth decay had declined, but there was virtually no difference in tooth decay rates between the fluoridated and non fluoridated places. In fact, teeth were slightly better in the nonfluoridated areas. I wondered why I had not been sent the statistics for the rest of New Zealand. When I requested them, they were sent to me with a warning that they were not to be made public. Those for 1981 showed that in most Health Districts the percentage of 12- and 13-year-old children who were free of tooth decay - that is, had perfect teeth - was greater in the non-fluoridated part of the district" "I now realize that what my colleagues and I were doing was what the history of science shows all professionals do when their pet theory is confronted by disconcerting new evidence: they bend over backwards to explain away the new evidence. They try very hard to keep their theory intact — especially so if their own professional reputations depend on maintaining that theory" Explains a lot in my mind. Ok heres the next piece. Here is a database created by the World Health Organisation on dental decay and cavities. What it does is gather information on the average amount of cavities from school age children. http://www.whocollab.od.mah.se/euro.html A group apposed to water flurodation then used that information and created some graphs showing decay rates in both flurodated and non fluoronated countries. The data is simply taken from the WHO but go through and find the corresponding info if you feel the need. http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/who-dmft.html The third table is of the most interest. Thats just the begining though bro let me know once you have done that then I will explain better my theories on the "forced medication" side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 i reck'n. Leave that to kwrk... just saw THIS guy! had to post him up, to remind youze, thats its (mostly) about the beatz innit? keep em coming Wait, what. I have seen you have argument after argument on this very forum about a multitude of topics. Why do you feel the need to tell us to keep the drama down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 BUMP! Catalyst, Pakage, Grind, Dr aceman other haters report in. Let me know once you have read that lot and Ill find more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakage Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 (edited) fuck you hakomi. everytime i have a drink of water now, all i can think about is flouride. ps. i havent been hating, almost every single post of mine in this thread has just been trolling the shit outta it. The 1 serious post i made got trolled by the nato and had no serious replies.. Edited May 28, 2010 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzp Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Fuck off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakage Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 (edited) pps. i watched all 3 of those videos. sounds fucked to me. where do i get one of those water filters from lol. i dont think its necessarily some kind of conspiracy to dose me with neuro toxins, but it also doesnt sound like its doing me any good. /converted Edited May 28, 2010 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 ps. i havent been hating, almost every single post of mine in this thread has just been trolling the shit outta it. The 1 serious post i made got trolled by the nato and had no serious replies.. You still thought that it actually did something though. So what do you think of the info posted??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 pps. i watched all 3 of those videos. sounds fucked to me. where do i get one of those water filters from lol. i dont think its necessarily some kind of conspiracy to dose me with neuro toxins, but it also doesnt sound like its doing me any good. /converted Dont just watch the videos read the info posted above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzp Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Fuck off Nice one, prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakage Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 (edited) i only bothered to watch the videos yesterday eh. from the info provided, i can only assume that it does fuck all. Although, to be honest, most of the cases they talked about it causeing serious side effects were from very large doses, usually inhaled. The video's didnt really talk much (that i can remember, id had a couple beers..) about the effects of small amounts ingested being bad for you did it? But what the videos said, combined with what you posted by that dentist guy has me pretty convinced that it does fuck all good. If this is still going on when i buy a house, im installing a rain water tank.. No point ingesting something that has no positive effects and may infact, even in small doses cause negative ones. /analysis of data Edited May 28, 2010 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Fuck off Nice one, prick All you do once there is a decent discussion is come into threads and post pictures or emoticons. Usually giving shit to the people posting for whatever reason. Do you actually have an opinion on this? If so im sorry for telling you to fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakomi Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 i only bothered to watch the videos yesterday eh. from the info provided, i can only assume that it does fuck all. Although, to be honest, most of the cases they talked about it causeing serious side effects were from very large doses, usually inhaled. The video's didnt really talk much (that i can remember, id had a couple beers..) about the effects of small amounts ingested being bad for you did it? But what the videos said, combined with what you posted by that dentist guy has me pretty convinced that it does fuck all good. If this is still going on when i buy a house, im installing a rain water tank.. No point ingesting something that has no positive effects and may infact, even in small doses cause negative ones. /analysis of data There is heaps of new research into the effects of low dose exposure I will get some of that for you soon. And yes its proving to be harmul even at low doses. And its fairly obvious you didn't read the whole thing by the dentist. He touches on low level harm Also theres the fact that fluoride is in loads of other things so depending on your diet you could easily be consuming way over the reccomended levels. For example fruit is sprayed with a chemical pesticide which leaves massive levels of fluoride in or on the skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzp Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Fuck off Nice one, prick All you do once there is a decent discussion is come into threads and post pictures or emoticons. Usually giving shit to the people posting for whatever reason. Do you actually have an opinion on this? If so im sorry for telling you to fuck off. I wrote a few replies to this but without rarking it up more, yes I do have a strong opinion over this, which was summed up quite nicely earlier in the thread by evoke or Tom(phonetics) from memory. No need to shit bricks, its a pic, it was based at the thread, not you in particular. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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